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When I wrote that Christ was never called a Jew, but he was identified as one who came from the land of the previous area of the Kingdom, some one posted the old argument.. "There was no letter J in the Greek or Hebrew language" Below is the argument:
The guy writes:
There is no letter in the Hebrew alphabet, OR in the
Greek alphabet that makes the sound of a "J"
Everything from the Bible, that we now spell with a "J" was originally spelled with the Hebrew letter "yud"; which makes the sound of a "Y".
Christ's name was Yeshusa The Greek "equivalent" of that name was Yesus. This became Jesus, after the letter "J" was added to the English alphabet.
Then there was a King, who was really tired of the fact that no one said his name correctly. They called him King Yames. He made the letter "J" a lot more popular.
How silly would it be to say that John, Joseph, Jacob or Jesus did not exist until after their names started to be spelled as those names are now spelled?
The English characters did not exist. The English pronunciation did not exist, nor did many of the English words of our English bible exist.
CHARACTER DID NOT EXIST
Before you talk about translation, you must first
consider what language (written or spoken) is.
#1 The purpose of is to pass thoughts from one person to another.
#2 The intent may be to communicate fact or fiction ( jokes, fables, lies ..) The information (fact or fiction) is composed of
#4 Events - past, present or future
#6 The description of physical things or beings.
With in our own set of alphabet, there are many other lands which use the same alphabet but their arrangement of the same letters (most of the time) have different meanings than our arrangement of those letters.
The pronunciation, the arrangement of the characters nor the characters used make any difference.
EXODUS 8:6 And Aaron stretched out his hand over the waters of Egypt; and the frogs came up, and covered the land of Egypt.
If this information were written in Arabic, Hebrew,
Greek, French, Latin, Chinese ... I suppose if you were to find all the
different languages, there would be a couple hundred and there would be multiple
sets of different characters for their alphabet.
The words would sound different, they would all look different, but if they conveyed the information
Aaron stretched out his hand over the waters of Egypt and frogs came up and covered the land of Egypt.
IF the readers of hundreds of different characters / languages came up with the same information... the characters or pronunciation does not matter.
Our English language never had any of the Chinese letters. Our pronunciation of the word silk is NOT the word of the original Chinese... but when we utter the word, we are talking about the same thing.
Almost all communication between humans is visual or vocal. The appearance or
sound is a variable in different parts of the world.
Translation is not the process of exchanging foreign words for your own. Translation is the process of taking the information of a people of a different language and rendering it into vocal or visual media of your own language, so the SAME INFORMATION is passed.
Now we have "Jews" from Germany, Russia, America ... all over the
world learning Hebrew.
How would you teach an English person how to speak Hebrews?
You would give them information in English and then give them the vocal or visual representation in Hebrews. If you can translate from French, English, Chinese, Russian, German ... to Hebrew, then you can translate from Hebrew to every other language on earth.
The world's foremost expert on Hebrew was not the "Jews", it was
the Catholics. Like it or not, no matter what Christian sect you are part of, in
the beginning the major sources of translations came from the Catholics.
The Catholics had massive wealth and power in the beginning. The Protestant sect came out of the Catholics.
"Rabbis" spent years in their studies, but for most part they had congregations and in the past they also had jobs / businesses.
The rich / powerful Catholics had monkeys working for them... well let just call them monks.
The monks didn't need to earn a living, they did not interact with the public. The monks who were secluded in monasteries did nothing but eat, sleep, pray, study, read and write their entire lives.
No sect on earth has the experience of Hebrew translations that came from the Catholics.
Look at the area now called Israel. Over 92% of those calling themselves
Jews, came from outside the middle east... millions have came from Europe.
When they lived in Europe, the great bulk of them only knew the language of their European nation. Of course they had Synagogues and Tanakahs (old testaments) and they were written in the language spoken/understood by the language of the nation they lived in.
For centuries "rabbis" have rendered the information written in Hebrew to the "Jews" of all nations and languages.
The information of the Tanakah / Old Testament has already been rendered into English, Chinese, German, Russian, French ... so why do these idiots continue to tell us we must know Hebrew to understand the information?
The only reason to use the magic language something, is because they want others to think they are special because of their smarts.
The Catholics, Rabbis and Protestant scholars have rendered the information thousands of times through centuries ... and yet we need Bullwinkle to explain to us that information?
What original characters were used, what the original pronunciation was... we don't care, we don't need it... the ONLY thing we need is the information written in the language that we understand.
No J in the original language? Who cares, when I hear the word jack ass, Judah, jam .. using the letter j, these words convey information to me and it is the very same information regardless of characters or pronunciation.
What is the worth of learning Hebrew? Ever buy some new gadget that comes with instructions in 3 or 4 different languages?
When you want to understand the information, do you bother to learn all the meanings of words in any of the instructions or do you simply use the translation of your own language?
Hebrew is as worthless as the instructions in all the languages you don't understand.
When is translation useful? Translation is useful ONLY
#1 When the original word had more than one meaning
#2 When a meaning (that did not exist in the original) is placed in your translation.
The word Jew was actually Judean. NEVER in any text did it mean descendants of the Israelites... . Jew .. an English word, possible meanings: A descendant of Judah, a religious sect or a native (or resident) from the area of the previous kingdom of Judah or one who served the political group which made up the kingdom of Judah.
When they take the original information resident of a particular land area and give it the meaning, person belonging to a religious sect, then they have not translated... they have mis-translated the information.
The word Jew and the word gay are the same, they are words that give false
information about the actual identity of what people were/are.
The spelling, or characters used mean NOTHING. Translation is the process of passing the same INFORMATION between the people of different languages.
Once something is translated.. as long as that translation still exists, any other translation is a waste. IT is just a REPEAT of the same information over, and over and over .... !
The information of the bible is not high tech. Except for the miracles,
the events were ordinary events that happen in all cultures. The miracles are
nothing complicated. Show any kid the movie with Moses in it and ask them to
write down what happened at the Red Sea.
Anyone who has passed all the grades to get them into junior high can explain (in writing) any event in the bible.
There is NOTHING in the bible that is complicated. The only reason people are ignorant of the bible is, there is so much information.
It is like hearing the words of Chinese and seeing the weird characters, thinking how hard it is to learn. There are college kids who have flunked classes in Chinese. The only reason it is hard to learn is because they must cram so much information in their head in a limited time.
How hard is Chinese to learn? Little poor Chinese kids who never go to school can speak it and 10 year old Chinese kids (who go to school) can write it.
There is nothing hard about Chinese, Hebrew or any other language. The only thing hard is if you are looking at the whole pile of information at one time.
I can't think of any chain of events that took place that could not be written on two type written pages. Almost all the instructions, prophecies or events could be written in less then 3 paragraphs.
Through out the last 2,000 years, millions of priest, rabbis and preachers have covered every verse of the Tanakah (old testament) millions of times.
The bible is not a single topic. It is composed of thousands of little segments about individual topics.
If you are studying any one of those topics, then you need only understand information related to that topic.
Aaron stretched out his hand and frogs came out and covered the land... has nothing to do with what a Semite is, what the Philistines did.. it has nothing to do with thousands of bible topics or definitions.
When you are studying any segment of bible information, what you do not know about any other (unrelated) bible information does not matter.
The characters used in the original text means NOTHING.
The pronunciation of the original language means NOTHING.
The ONLY purpose of letters, symbols, words is to pass information to other people. Hebrew, English, Chinese ... language is used to pass information.
Translation is the process of conveying the SAME INFORMATION between people who use different characters or vocal sounds to communicate.
Assemble 10 year old kids who can write from every language on earth.
Take any event of the bible and create a video of it. Instruct the kids to write a page of what they saw take place in the video.
In the thousands of events or instructions, THERE IS NOT ONE THING IN THE ENTIRE BIBLE, that can not be recorded in text of any language on earth.
Make a silent film
In the beginning introduce 2 actors in text on the screen. Call one David and the other Goliath. Use no more words.
With visual tricks, make Goliath bigger than any man you have ever seen. Re-create the events in the Hebrew text about David and Goliath. The chain of events can be re-enacted in less than 2 minutes.
Tell these kids to write what happened in the chain of events. You will have text using many characters that were never in Hebrew.
If the kids of different languages recite their text, it will have hundreds of sounds never spoken in Hebrew... but it will contain the SAME INFORMATION !
The verbal sounds or text of Hebrew mean NOTHING. Here you made a silent film and children could record the chain of events with out hearing or seeing a word of Hebrew.
There is no "holy language". Hebrew was an ancient Iraqi language brought to Canaan by Moses. The purpose of text is ONLY to pass INFORMATION to other human beings.
There is NOT ONE instruction or event in the Hebrew text that can not be described in any other language on earth.
In the last 1500 years there is not one verse of the Tanakah (old testament) that rabbis around the world have not already translated into English, German, Spanish, Russian, Polish ... every major language on earth.
Before the rabbis of Europe got their start, the Catholic monks were translating into Latin, Greek, English... every European language.
Vocal sounds, characters/letters nor spelling mean anything. Translation is the process of providing the SAME INFORMATION.
False translations come in these forms...
* When the original word used have several meanings and the wrong meaning is placed in the translation.
* When information is deleted from the original text.
* When information is added (that was no where in the original text)
If you want to be a scholar, Hebrew is a joke, but you will need a Strong's dictionary and the literal translation of the original text ( with Strong's references). I use Ellis Bible Encyclopedia. You can copy it to your hard drive and it does not eat up your CD ROM. I am sure there are lots of great bible programs.
There is not one instruction or event in the entire bible that any 10 year old school kid in any part of the world can not record in his own language... and so why couldn't "rabbis, priest and preachers" record the bible information for the congregations who used the language of the country they lived in?
Why learn a bunch of new text to get the information?
If you want the information,the English text gives the very same information !