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The Moabites were produced by Lot's incest with his own daughters

Ruth was a Moabite

The commands of Judaism was that a Moabite could not come into the congregation of the Israelites, so there was no "conversion to Judaism" by Ruth

King David was the descendant of Moabites


GENESIS 19:29 And it came to pass, when God destroyed the cities of the plain, that God remembered Abraham, and sent lot out of the midst of the overthrow, when he overthrew the cities in the which Lot lived.

GENESIS 19:30 And Lot went up out of Zoar, and lived in the mountain, and his two daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar: and he lived in a cave, he and his two daughters.

GENESIS 19:31 And the firstborn said to the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in to us after the manner of all the earth:

GENESIS 19:32 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.

GENESIS 19:33 And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.

GENESIS 19:34 And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said to the younger, Behold, I lay last night with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go you in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.

GENESIS 19:35 And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.

GENESIS 19:36 Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.

GENESIS 19:37 And the firstborn bare a son, and called his name Moab: the same is the father of the Moabites to this day.

GENESIS 19:38 And the younger, she also bare a son, and called his name Benammi: the same is the father of the children of Ammon to this day.


No such thing as a Moabite exists today, but their descendants do. The name of a people's nationality is determined by those who hold political power in their time, BUT that does not change the land area, it does not change the fact that those people existed nor does it change the fact that their descendants still exist today. The people we call Jordanians today are the descendants of the Moabites. The fact that political powers have branded them with another name, does not change who their ancestors were.

When the Russians tore down their walls and their nation was split, people who used to be Russians by nationality are no longer Russians, but they still live in the very same land area and they still have the same ancestors.

The descendants of those who were called Moabites and Ammoites are now called Jordanians, further more a multitude of Israelites are their descendants including several kings of Israel.

NUMBERS 22:04 And Moab said to the elders of Midian, Now shall this company lick up all that are round about us, as the ox licketh up the grass of the field. And Balak the son of Zippor was king of the Moabites at that time.

DEUTERONOMY 2:09 And the Lord said to me, Distress not the Moabites, neither contend with them in battle: for I will not give you of their land for a possession; because I have given Ar to the children of Lot for a possession.

DEUTERONOMY 2:11 Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims.

DEUTERONOMY 2:29 (As the children of Esau which dwell in Seir, and the Moabites which dwell in Ar, did to me;) until I shall pass over Jordan into the land which the Lord our God giveth us.

DEUTERONOMY 23:03 An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the Lord for ever: (Ruth, grandmother of David was a Moabite)

JUDGES 3:28 And he said to them, Follow after me: for the Lord hath delivered your enemies the Moabites into your hand. And they went down after him, and took the fords of Jordan toward Moab, and suffered not a man to pass over.

RUTH 1:22 So Naomi returned, and Ruth the Moabitess, her daughter in law, with her, which returned out of the country of Moab: and they came to Bethlehem in the beginning of barley harvest. 2:2, 2:21, 4:5

RUTH 4:10 Moreover Ruth the Moabitess, the wife of Mahlon, have I purchased to be my wife, to raise up the name of the dead upon his inheritance, that the name of the dead be not cut off from among his brethren, and from the gate of his place: you are witnesses this day.

2_SAMUEL 8:02 And he smote Moab, and measured them with a line, casting them down to the ground; even with two lines measured he to put to death, and with one full line to keep alive. And so the Moabites became David's servants, and brought gifts.

1_KINGS 11:01 But king Solomon loved many strange women, together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, and Hittites:

1_CHRONICLES 18:02 And he smote Moab; and the Moabites became David's servants, and brought gifts.

EZRA 9:01 Now when these things were done, the princes came to me, saying, The people of Israel, and the priests, and the Levites, have not separated themselves from the people of the lands, doing according to their abominations, even of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Jebusites, the Ammonites, the Moabites, the Egyptians, and the Amorites.

The Israelites produced children with the Moabites and sent those children back into the nations of their Arab grandparents. Of course these children were the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob... and they produced descendants of Israel in these Arab nations for 3,000 years. Today there would be a couple hundred million Arab Israelites.

NEHEMIAH 13:01 On that day they read in the book of Moses in the audience of the people; and therein was found written, that the Ammonite and the Moabite should not come into the congregation of God for ever; (David's grandma Ruth would not have been allowed to come into the congregation of God )

NEHEMIAH 13:23 In those days also saw I Jews that had married wives of Ashdod, of Ammon, and of Moab: ( The Jews married the Ashdodites, Ammonites and Moabites and produced children with them)

NEHEMIAH 13:24 And their children spoke half in the speech of Ashdod, and could not speak in the Jews language, but according to the language of each people.

The Israelites and the Jews married Moabites and Ammoites. They produced their children with them. Two kings and a multitude of Israelites are the descendants of the ancestors of today's Jordanians.

There were no original Israelites. Before they existed these non Israelite middle east nations were created and out of the wombs / loins of these Arab nations, every Israelite in the bible came out of. You can not be anything other than the ancestors you came from and the Israelites were nothing but a pot luck of Arabs. You say I am full of it? Great, I challenge you to show me one Israelite in the entire bible who I can not produce scriptures proving their ancestors were non-Israelite, non-jew ... Chaldeans, Syrians, Philistines, Ammoites, Moabites, Amorites, Egyptians, Canaanites, Zidions, Hittites, Havites, Jebusites.. ARABS !

Show me just one in the entire bible !

When I establish the fact that every Israelite in the bible came from Arabs, the next loop hole is... Race or genealogy means nothing.

This is quite the crock, if the bible identity of the Israelites is the question, they began with one race... 'the Arab race' what ever that was and to know who they were means every thing. Their heritage is the essential facts to establish what and who the Israelites were.

Moabite is the ancient name for the ancestors of today's Jordanians. Jordan is the area of several Arab tribes who fought against the Israelites and of course, the Israelites were descendants of those Arabs.

Look to see all the Arab nations the Israelites fought against, Look again and you will see those nations existed before any Israelite was ever born, then look once again and know the Israelites were descendants of all those Arabs they fought against.


DEUTERONOMY 29:8 Moses took the land of the natives of Jordan and gave it to the Reubenites the Gadites, and the half tribe of Manasseh.
JOSHUA 14:3 For Moses (Not God) had given the inheritance of two tribes and an half tribe on the other side Jordan:
JOSHUA 1:14 Your wives, your little ones, and your cattle, shall remain in the land which Moses gave (Not God) you on this side Jordan;
God did not give the Israelites any land in Jordan, Moses took this up on himself. Moses took many things up on himself. Once God was going to kill Moses then in the end Moses did not
even get to enter into the promise land.


The Rubenites, the Gadites and half the tribe of Manasseh remained in Jordan. When the Israelites were being scattered only those inside of Israel were mentioned (correct me, I have not seen such info).
Those on the Jordan side of the river were never scattered out of Israel, because they never lived in Israel, but they lived in the very midst of other Arab tribes / nations in side of Jordan... and there are scriptural records of their marriages with those ancestors of the Jordanians.
All Bashan, being the kingdom of Og to the river Jabbok, which is the border of the children of Ammon;
DEUTERONOMY 3:17 The plain also, and Jordan, and the coast thereof, from Chinnereth even to the sea of the plain, even the salt sea, under Ashdothpisgah eastward. ( The range was from the Moabites to the north to the Ammoites to the south of Jordan.)

9 1/2 Tribes on the Israel side

JOSHUA 13:7 (Israelites on the Israel side) Now therefore divide this land for an inheritance to the nine tribes, and the half tribe of Manasseh

JOSHUA 18:7 Gad, and Reuben, and half the tribe of Manasseh, have received their inheritance beyond Jordan on the east, which Moses the servant of the Lord gave them... these Israelites lived in today's nation of Jordan.
After WWII there was no mass migration from Jordan to Israel, so what happened to the Israelites living in Jordan?

Number of Israelites in 2 1/2 tribes begins by counting the males over 20, then a simple formula for figuring the males under 20 = total males.

Gad .. Num 1:25 45,650 Gadites
Ruben Num 1:21 46,500 Rubenites
Mansseh 1/2 tribe .. 1:34 32,200 / 2 = 16,100
108,250 males over 20 years old.
If the average life span was 60, the total males would be 162,375

If half the population was female, then the total would be 324,750 Israelites living in Jordan beginning in the period part of the Israelites crossed over the Jordan from Egypt.

These 2 1/2 tribes were numbered 3,200 years ago.
In Genesis about 100 (total) Israelites went into Egypt and 430 years when they came out there were about a million and half of them.
Using a projection with the same population growth, here is your problem class.

If 100 people produce a population growth to 1,500,000 in 490 years
What would 324,7500 people would produce ____________ in 3,200 years.

Using the most conservative numbers in your projection, today there would be more Israelites living in Jordan from these 2 1/2 tribes than all those combined in Europe who called themselves "Jews".
The descendants of those 2 1/2 tribes now call themselves Jordanians. They lost track of their
Israelite heritage centuries ago.

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